Engels started playing with Linux® in 1991 and obtained his Red Hat Certified Engineer (RHCE), Red Hat Certified Instructor (RHCI), and Red Hat Certified Examiner (RHCX) certifications in 2002. He is in charge of Bluepoint's Total Linux®, Linux Kernel Internals®, Perl & Python Programming, and Extreme PHP curriculum and instruction development.
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Elvin Joseph Sanico was one of the best professors I was privileged to have at the UP National Institute of Physics in Diliman. His use of the continuity equation for steady one-dimensional flow to prove the "silent waters run deep" axiom was really cool!
In loving memory of CPT Mario B. Mortega Sr., USAFFE, VET (1920-2004)
Seclists.Org Shut Down By Myspace and GoDaddy
Thursday, Jan 25, 2007, 5:50 PM
From: "Fyodor" <>
Subject: Seclists.Org shut down by Myspace and GoDaddy
Date: Thu, January 25, 2007 5:47 pm

Hi everyone,

Many of you reported that our SecLists.Org security mailing list archive was down most of yesterday (Wed), and all you really need to know is that we're back up and running! But I'm going into rant mode
anyway in case you care for the details.

I woke up yesterday morning to find a voice message from my domain registrar (GoDaddy) saying they were suspending the domain One minute later I received an email saying that has "been suspended for violation of the Abuse Policy". And also "if the domain name(s) listed above are private, your Domains By Proxy(R) account has also been suspended." WTF??! Neither the email nor voicemail gave a phone number to reach them at, nor did they feel it was worth the effort to explain what the supposed violation was. They changed my domain nameserver to

I called GoDaddy several times, and all three support people I spoke with (Craig, Ricky, then Wael) said that the abuse department doesn't take calls. They said I had email (which I had
already done 3 times) and that I could then expect a response "within 1 or two business days". Given that tens of thousands of people use SecLists.Org every day, I didn't take that well. When they realized I
was going to just keep calling until they did something, they finally persuaded the abuse department to explain why they cut me off: Myspace.Com asked them to.

Apparently Myspace is still reeling from all the news reports more than a week ago about a list of 56,000 myspace usernames+passwords making the rounds. It was all over the news, and reminded people of a
completely different list of 34,000 MySpace passwords which was floating around last year. MySpace users fall for a LOT of phishing scams. They are basically the new AOL. Anyway, everyone has this
latest password list now, and it was even posted (several times) to the thousands of members of the fulldisclosure mailing list more than a week ago. So it was archived by all the sites which archive
full-disclosure, including SecLists.Org.

Instead of simply writing me (or asking to have the password list removed, MySpace decided to contact (only) GoDaddy and try to have the whole site of 250,000 pages removed because they don't like one of them. And GoDaddy cowardly and lazily decided to simply shut down the site rather than actually investigating or giving me a chance to contest or comply with the complaint. Needless to say, I'm in the market for a new registrar. One who doesn't immediately bend over for any large corporation who asks. One who considers it their job just to refer people to the SecLists.Org nameserver at, not to police the content of the services hosted at the domains. The GoDaddy ToS forbids hosting what they call "morally objectionable activities".

It is way too late for MySpace to put the cat back in the bag anyway. The bad guys already have the file, and anyone else who wants it need only Google for "myspace1.txt.bz2" or "duckqueen1". Is MySpace going to try and shut down Google next?

For some reason, this is only one of a spate of bogus Seclists removal requests. I do remove material that is clearly illegal or inappropriate for (like the bonehead who keeps posting furry porn to fulldisclosure). But one company sent a legal threat demanding[1] that I remove a 7-year old Bugtraq posting which was a complaint about previous bogus legal threats they had sent. Another guy[2] last week sent a complaint to my ISP saying that an image was child porn and declaring that he would notify the FBI. When asked why he thought the picture was of a child, he tried a different tack: sending a DMCA complaint declaring under penalty of perjury that he is the copyright holder of the photo! Michael Crook told me on the phone that he sent the DMCA request, but when I forwarded the info to the EFF (who is already suing this guy for sending other bogus DMCA complaints), he changed his mind and wrote that "after further review, I can find no record" or mailing the complaint.

Most of the censorship attempts are for the full-disclosure list. It would be easiest just to cease archiving that list, but I do think it serves an important purpose in keeping the industry honest. And many good postings do make it through if you can filter out all the junk. So I'm keeping it, no matter how "morally objectionable" GoDaddy and MySpace may think it to be!

In much happier Nmap news, I'm pleased to report that the Nmap project now has a public SVN server so you can always check out the latest version. Due to a bug in SVN, we use a username as "guest" with no password rather than anonymous. So check it out with the command:

svn co --username guest --password "" svn://

Then do the normal:

And install it or set NMAPDIR to "." to run in place. Among other goodies, this release includes the Nmap scripting language[3].

If you want to follow Nmap development on a check-in by check-in basis, there is a new nmap-svn mailing list[4] for that. But be prepared for some high traffic as you'll get every patch!

2007 will be a good year for Nmap!



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